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	<title>Comments on: Levin’s Conservative Manifesto, Part 1: Taxation</title>
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		<title>By: Rob Waterson</title>
		<link>http://waronsocialism.com/2009/08/28/levin%e2%80%99s-conservative-manifesto-part-1-taxation/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Waterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that some of the high points of the FairTax would be:

1) The slimy bastards in congress will no longer be able to use the tax code to attempt to influence our behavior toward their statist ends.

2) The slimy bastards in congress will no longer be able to use the tax system for their quid quo pro bribery-and-tax-break scheme for industries and groups that allows them to cement their power and funding.

3) The people who earn their money via illegal means, like drug dealers and prostitutes and illegal aliens, will not be able to avoid paying into the system that they take so much out of.

4) The taxes are no longer as well hidden - you will &lt;strong&gt;see&lt;/strong&gt; the taxes when you purchase everything.

The Fair Tax is not perfect.  There are certainly things about it that I do not like.  For instance, we will still have a certain segment of society who, based upon the cost of living minimum involved in the proposed system, will continue to be societal parasites living off of the rest of us.

But we have to remember the old axiom that perfection is often the enemy of progress.  Almost anything would be an improvement on the system that we have now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that some of the high points of the FairTax would be:</p>
<p>1) The slimy bastards in congress will no longer be able to use the tax code to attempt to influence our behavior toward their statist ends.</p>
<p>2) The slimy bastards in congress will no longer be able to use the tax system for their quid quo pro bribery-and-tax-break scheme for industries and groups that allows them to cement their power and funding.</p>
<p>3) The people who earn their money via illegal means, like drug dealers and prostitutes and illegal aliens, will not be able to avoid paying into the system that they take so much out of.</p>
<p>4) The taxes are no longer as well hidden &#8211; you will <strong>see</strong> the taxes when you purchase everything.</p>
<p>The Fair Tax is not perfect.  There are certainly things about it that I do not like.  For instance, we will still have a certain segment of society who, based upon the cost of living minimum involved in the proposed system, will continue to be societal parasites living off of the rest of us.</p>
<p>But we have to remember the old axiom that perfection is often the enemy of progress.  Almost anything would be an improvement on the system that we have now.</p>
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		<title>By: strongconservativeblog</title>
		<link>http://waronsocialism.com/2009/08/28/levin%e2%80%99s-conservative-manifesto-part-1-taxation/#comment-99</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your summary of Mark Levin&#039;s book - he is a great conservative and makes a lot of sense.  I love the flat tax system, but I struggle understanding what would have to happen politically for a flat tax system to be implemented, being that we are so entrenched in our current system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your summary of Mark Levin&#8217;s book &#8211; he is a great conservative and makes a lot of sense.  I love the flat tax system, but I struggle understanding what would have to happen politically for a flat tax system to be implemented, being that we are so entrenched in our current system.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://waronsocialism.com/2009/08/28/levin%e2%80%99s-conservative-manifesto-part-1-taxation/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sabio - You&#039;re right about the nested replies.  I have made that change, thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sabio &#8211; You&#8217;re right about the nested replies.  I have made that change, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Sabio Lantz</title>
		<link>http://waronsocialism.com/2009/08/28/levin%e2%80%99s-conservative-manifesto-part-1-taxation/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sabio Lantz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, as far as I have thought it out.  Lots of things would be better than this system.

BTW, I find hierarchy quotes very hard to follow, I advocate setting to zero.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, as far as I have thought it out.  Lots of things would be better than this system.</p>
<p>BTW, I find hierarchy quotes very hard to follow, I advocate setting to zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://waronsocialism.com/2009/08/28/levin%e2%80%99s-conservative-manifesto-part-1-taxation/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, I like his statements in the link you posted, particularly this one:

&quot;The most sinister of all taxes is the inflation tax and it is the most regressive. It hits the poor and the middle class. When you destroy a currency by creating money out of thin air to pay the bills, the value of the dollar goes down, and people get hit with a higher cost of living. It’s the middle class that’s being wiped out. It is most evil of all taxes.&quot;

This is what the president and his collectivist henchmen are doing to us right now.  Anyone buying into the fairy tale the we are coming out of this recession has no understanding of the coming results of printing another trillion dollars out of thin air.

If people are pissed *now*, wait until the dollar is worth nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I like his statements in the link you posted, particularly this one:</p>
<p>&#8220;The most sinister of all taxes is the inflation tax and it is the most regressive. It hits the poor and the middle class. When you destroy a currency by creating money out of thin air to pay the bills, the value of the dollar goes down, and people get hit with a higher cost of living. It’s the middle class that’s being wiped out. It is most evil of all taxes.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what the president and his collectivist henchmen are doing to us right now.  Anyone buying into the fairy tale the we are coming out of this recession has no understanding of the coming results of printing another trillion dollars out of thin air.</p>
<p>If people are pissed *now*, wait until the dollar is worth nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://waronsocialism.com/2009/08/28/levin%e2%80%99s-conservative-manifesto-part-1-taxation/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike,

I am not sure that I agree that all govt&#039;s need to use the same tax structure, though I would like it all to be a flat tax.  I live in a state with an income tax.

The Fairtax people have addressed a lot of your concerns... part of the premise (and there would be an adjustment period, of course) is that once the coporate income tax is gone, the companies will no longer build those taxes into the price of the product (only individuals pay taxes in this country) and the prices would come down.  One upside is that you would *see* those taxes every single time that you bought something, adding 20 percent or whatever to the price.  What you need to remember is that when the sales tax comes in, other taxes (sinister *hidden* taxes) will go away.

I do not agree that those things should be exempted - either we are financing common infrastructure or we are not.  Once you give them that power then they will start finagling the exemptions to pay off their benefactors, just like they do now with the income tax.  One problem that I have with the Fairtax is that the unsuccessful among us will still manage to pay very little in taxes, continuing to be societal parasites, big ticks on the neck of productive America.

We certainly agree on the need for a *much* smaller government.  I submit that most of the laws that affect you should be made in your state capital, where you can actually have some impact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I am not sure that I agree that all govt&#8217;s need to use the same tax structure, though I would like it all to be a flat tax.  I live in a state with an income tax.</p>
<p>The Fairtax people have addressed a lot of your concerns&#8230; part of the premise (and there would be an adjustment period, of course) is that once the coporate income tax is gone, the companies will no longer build those taxes into the price of the product (only individuals pay taxes in this country) and the prices would come down.  One upside is that you would *see* those taxes every single time that you bought something, adding 20 percent or whatever to the price.  What you need to remember is that when the sales tax comes in, other taxes (sinister *hidden* taxes) will go away.</p>
<p>I do not agree that those things should be exempted &#8211; either we are financing common infrastructure or we are not.  Once you give them that power then they will start finagling the exemptions to pay off their benefactors, just like they do now with the income tax.  One problem that I have with the Fairtax is that the unsuccessful among us will still manage to pay very little in taxes, continuing to be societal parasites, big ticks on the neck of productive America.</p>
<p>We certainly agree on the need for a *much* smaller government.  I submit that most of the laws that affect you should be made in your state capital, where you can actually have some impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://waronsocialism.com/2009/08/28/levin%e2%80%99s-conservative-manifesto-part-1-taxation/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.

What does it say about political labeling that he has to run as a republican?  He is not one.

Of course, I vote republican even though I am libertarian.  I guess that we are both just being smart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>What does it say about political labeling that he has to run as a republican?  He is not one.</p>
<p>Of course, I vote republican even though I am libertarian.  I guess that we are both just being smart.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabio Lantz</title>
		<link>http://waronsocialism.com/2009/08/28/levin%e2%80%99s-conservative-manifesto-part-1-taxation/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sabio Lantz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Rob -- yeah, I get all that.  Good news, he is a Congressman !  If only we had more of him !
We also need election changes so that our votes show what we believe in !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rob &#8212; yeah, I get all that.  Good news, he is a Congressman !  If only we had more of him !<br />
We also need election changes so that our votes show what we believe in !</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://waronsocialism.com/2009/08/28/levin%e2%80%99s-conservative-manifesto-part-1-taxation/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I need to take a look at what he really believes in on that topic.

He struck me as a little too naively purist, like I was back when I was an uppercase-L libertarian.

I was a Ron Paul fan going way back into the 90s, before he ever ran for president.  But since he did not have a sliver of a chance in hell of winning in 2008 I did not support him.  I am too old to be *that* unrealistic!  :^)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to take a look at what he really believes in on that topic.</p>
<p>He struck me as a little too naively purist, like I was back when I was an uppercase-L libertarian.</p>
<p>I was a Ron Paul fan going way back into the 90s, before he ever ran for president.  But since he did not have a sliver of a chance in hell of winning in 2008 I did not support him.  I am too old to be *that* unrealistic!  :^)</p>
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		<title>By: Sabio Lantz</title>
		<link>http://waronsocialism.com/2009/08/28/levin%e2%80%99s-conservative-manifesto-part-1-taxation/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sabio Lantz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, thanx. Do you mind a plug for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Tax_Reform.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ron Paul&#039;s views and actions toward tax&lt;/a&gt;.  Do you fundamentally disagree with any of his positions on this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, thanx. Do you mind a plug for <a href="http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Tax_Reform.htm" rel="nofollow">Ron Paul&#8217;s views and actions toward tax</a>.  Do you fundamentally disagree with any of his positions on this?</p>
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